DNA issue...

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DNA issue...
Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 04:18:33 PM (157 Views)
Post #11 Sep 10 2008, 03:36:21 PM	Suzy
Shane Sep 9 2008, 02:06 PM there is no way you could seperate the them so they h. reidi so there is no way they could get the pathogens? is there any treatment to iradicate the pathogens? Well, yes and no. I will need to eventually put them together, and if my understanding of immune systems is somewhat accurate, the exposure to the pathogens is what gives the fish it's immunities, and the CB fish have not been exposed (this is all theory and from the seahorse purists!). I guess I could prophylactically treat (before and with out evidence of disease) the new fish befoer I put them in with the others..... That is a great idea, GUYS! You rock! What I think I am going to do is get a few pregnant WC seahorses and try to raise the fry. I think I will have to keep the WC new ones in a separate tank forever, because they will not eat frozen food.	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


Post #12 Sep 10 2008, 03:46:17 PM	Suzy
Amie Sep 9 2008, 05:06 PM Or would the pathogens not show up, or only effect your fish and not display signs in the WC fish? Isn't there someway to inoculate your tankraised fish against the pathogens? Yes, the new wc fish can have pathogens that they have immunities too, but the tankraised ones do not. Just as we can be exposed to chicken pox once, get it and never get it again, because our bodies built up an immunity to that virus. Fish exposed in the wild to a disease might develop immunity or die. I read somewhere that less than 1% of seahorse fry live in the wild. Either way, when they get to us, they have an immunity to that disease but they can be a carrier and not actually have the disease. Just like people! I really love ichytholgy! I also read some where that someone was working on a vibrio vaccine! But, I think it was BS because people in third world countries die from it every day.	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


Post #13 Sep 10 2008, 03:48:23 PM	Suzy
Larry H Sep 9 2008, 06:03 PM Amie- When I kept records it was before computers got so handy. I kept them in notebooks and updated them as events happened. Each pet had it's own sheet with facts such as color, type, date of birth or death, to whom they were bred and the outcome. There were many other things as well like band numbers and illnesses and such. If I were to do that sort of thing today I would use spread sheets and notebooks. Computers make it look nicer but you need to keep good records by what you are doing and be able to look at it as you check things out. Sometimes a pen or pencil is much handier. This would be much more difficult to do with fish. I tried it for a while when I first started getting fish and it was a problem. Too many unknowns to do it the way I used to do it. Breeding pairs might be easier to do, but when you have a bunch of the same kind of fish together it is hard to tell them apart and to catch them is even harder. I AM going to start a log. Today! During our tour last weekend, people were asking how old my fish were. I could not remember! I just know that they are wayyyy old!	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


Post #14 Sep 10 2008, 03:52:34 PM	Suzy
Amie Sep 9 2008, 05:06 PM FYI: I'm using 1) below for the term inoculate, not 3) which would be used to add phyto to a saltwater culture. in�oc�u�late �verb (used with object) 1. to implant (a disease agent or antigen) in a person, animal, or plant to produce a disease for study or to stimulate disease resistance. 2. to affect or treat (a person, animal, or plant) in this manner. 3. to introduce (microorganisms) into surroundings suited to their growth, as a culture medium. 4. to imbue (a person), as with ideas. I need to cut n paste and sticky this somewhere! That was so embarrassing! I could not think of another word to use to tell people what I was trying to tell them! " I would harvest two thirds of the batch then use the remaining third to innoculate....I mean to....uhhhhh...... that would be what.......ummm......yeah, add that stuff........stick it in......ummm......"	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


Post #15 Oct 1 2008, 10:19:34 PM	Barelycuda
I usually QT my new clowns whether they are WC or CB for 4 weeks period before they can be in the same water as the other fish. I don't care if they came from my best friends tank. I purchased a pair of cinnamon clowns that a guy had in his tank for over 3 years and 13 days after I purchased them they cam down with ick. Imagine what would have happened if they were in my main system with over 1000 babies!!! Once I got the ick cured the 4 week QT time started over again until they were fine for 4 weeks. You can never be too careful. Sorry I got a little off track. I was reading and it seemed QT was coming up. Dave	juvi Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #52 Joined: September 30, 2008



Post #16 Oct 2 2008, 03:34:10 AM	Suzy
That is such a good practice. We need to start a thread about quarantine issues!	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


Post #17 Oct 3 2008, 12:40:45 AM	Amie
I had someone ask me on MOFIB today if I freshwater dipped new WC seahorses before introducing them to a tank. He said he had read that in a Seahorse book. I was wondering if that would solve any issues with passing pathogens to tankmates. Also, Suzy, do you think your 4 new-ish seahorses that you got (the 2 yellow and 2 orange ones) had anything to do with the passing of your 2 older ones? It seems like you had put them in the tank only a few weeks before.	stormy, stormy nights Posts: 2,362 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: June 29, 2008
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Post #18 Oct 3 2008, 07:36:34 AM	Suzy
No, I think they died of old age. She had gotten lethargic for a few months before, just kinda getting slower and less active. I have had mated pairs do this before. When one expires, the other just gives up. It is like people that have been together for decades. I see it at work frequently. Families tell us when a elderly patient comes in. It is really quite romantic, IMO. I know I don't want to live after my husband is gone....But, he promised I can go first! I think a FW dip would work for external parasites, but I am not sure that external parasites are that big of an issue, IMO. It is the internal bacterial pathogens that make me nervous. But, the fish I already have been exposed to opportunistic pathogens and are not under the stress of the new fish. I would be worried about the stress a dip would cause the new fish. I don't dip fish.	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


Post #19 Oct 3 2008, 02:24:40 PM	Shane
if your saying that your old ones have been exposed to the pathogens before and never caught anything i would say its would be ok. isnt there a way you could qt them and treat them with something, like i know fw uses copper.	breeding stock Posts: 311 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: August 5, 2008



Post #20 Oct 3 2008, 05:49:38 PM	Suzy
It would be best to have quarantined them, I agree, but I didn't. There just is something about H erectus..... But, my 3 babies from earlier are in with them, and they have taught the newbies to eat frozen food! So, I think I have a few pairs!	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


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