Opportunist Pathogens

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Opportunist Pathogens
Topic Started: Feb 4 2010, 10:47:10 AM (350 Views)
Post #1 Feb 4 2010, 10:47:10 AM	Suzy
Hi, Guys! I was having a personal discussion with Andy the other day, and I was thinking it has been a while since we had an in depth topic. So, who is up for it? First, let me describe my thoughts about this topic? Opportunistic: Bacteria, Fungus, parasites are every where in our world. As humans, we are constantly exposed to these organisms that can make us sick. Literally, bugs and germs are on every surface we touch, in the air we breathe, and in the water we drink. They are just waiting around, looking for a way to get us! Really, we should be super paranoid, but most of us rarely get sick, right? Pathogen: Something that makes us sick! If we consider our aquariums, they are very much the same way. Vibrio bacteria has many pathogenic strains that can infect our fish and corals. Parasites are introduced every time we add a new specimen. Usually, when we think of parasites, we think flatworms or ick, but there are many, many more. But, usually, our fish do not get sick, they live in symbiosis with these potential pathogens. Why do our fish sometimes succumb to ick or some other disease? Why do some fish get attacked while others do not? In my experience, most tanks have a source of Ich spores. If a fish is infected with one spot, the entire tank is exposed to it. Like other opportunist infections, it will lay fallow until it has a chance to carry out it's evil doings....	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
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Post #2 Feb 7 2010, 06:32:06 PM	Clint
Yes it is an arms race. With the good guys winning most of the time but sometimes things change and the environment favors the pathogen.	breeding stock Posts: 377 Group: Members Member #69 Joined: November 22, 2008
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Post #3 Feb 27 2010, 01:31:01 AM	Sylvio
Hi Züchter Es ist ein sehr schweres Thema "Pathogene Keime" Die meisten setzen sich durch wenn das ökologische Gleichgewicht des Systems gestört ist. Ist dann noch das Immunsystem der Tiere gestört (durch schlechte Wasserwerte oder schlechtes Futter) dann müssen die Tiere zwangsweise sterben. Wie es zu solchen schnellen Ausbreitungen kommt sollte sich mal mit Bakterien + Biofilm befassen. Dies verdeutlicht wie schnell sich das Okosystem vom positiven ins negative ändern kann. Beispiel: Wenn man die Scheiben des Becken putzt zerstört man einen Biofilm man schafft neue saubere Siedlungsfläche für Bakterien. Ist die Keimzahl im Becken gerade hoch so können sich dort schnell negative Bakterien vermehren. Im Ökosystem sagt man wo ein Bakterium sitzt kann sich kein neues ansiedeln. Das heißt jetzt nicht das keiner mehr Scheiben putzen soll :) es soll nur verdeutlichen wie instabil unsere Systeme sind. Noch ein schönes Beispiel sind pathogene Vibrobakterien in Artemias. Artemen sind eines der ältesten Tiere der Welt . Wie können diese Tiere so lange überleben? 1.die Dauerzysten 2.die Bakterien Meiner Meinung nach leben Artemias mit den Vibrobakterien in einer Art Symbiose. Sie leben voneinander und die Bakterien sichern das die Artemias nicht aussterben. Mein Jahrelanger Versuch zeigt das Artemias nur von diesen Bakterien leben können. Denn es schwimmen immer welche obwohl sie Jahre nichts an Futter bekommen haben. Ein weiterer Versuch hat gezeigt das sie selbst das Bakterium zwischen Embrio und Eihülle einlagern und somit das Futter gesichert ist wenn der Nauplius schlüpft. Deshalb stirbt das Bakterium auch nicht wenn man die Zysten mit Chlor behandelt. Man kann es nur wärend des Schlupfes bekämpfen. Warum können sich Vibros so schnell in unseren Becken vermehren? Ganz einfach Artemias kommen nicht im Meer vor sondern nur in seperaten Salzseen. Im normalen ökosystem Meer braucht es keine Antibakterien um den "Artemiavibro" unter Kontrolle zu halten. Das heist wir schütten die Bakterien in ein System welches gar keine Abwehrstoffe besitzt. Das sind nur 2 ganz kleine Beispiele die das Ökosystem Becken stören. MfG Sylvio	breeding stock Posts: 199 Group: Members Member #53 Joined: October 3, 2008



Post #4 Feb 27 2010, 08:05:35 AM	Suzy
Yahoo! I have a taker for this! I can't cut n paste on my ipod so I will respond soon.... Thanks for reading, Sylvio!	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
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Post #5 Feb 27 2010, 01:13:30 PM	fisher32
Sylvio(translated using bling translater) Hi breeder It is a very tough issue "Pathogens germs" Most set by if the ecological balance the system is disturbed. Even the immune system of animals is disturbed by poor water values or bad food) then the animals must die forcibly. As there are such fast outbreaks should times with bacteria + deal biofilm. This shows how quickly the Okosystem of the positive may change in the negative. Example: If you putzt the slices of pool it destroyed a biofilm it creates new clean settlement area for bacteria. The number of bacteria in the basin is very high so there quickly negative bacteria can multiply. One where sits a bacterium can place is no new says in the ecosystem. That is now not any more slices to clean it to show only our systems are as unstable. Pathogenic Vibrobakterien in Artemias are a nice example. Artemen are one of the oldest animals in the world. How can these animals survive so long? 1.die life cysts 2.die bacteria I think live Artemias with the Vibrobakterien in a kind of symbiosis. Live separate and secure the bacteria not die out the Artemias. My years attempt shows Artemias of these bacteria can live. Because always which swim it although they have been nothing to feed years. Another attempt, showed that the bacterium between Embrio and Eihülle putting themselves and therefore the feed is secured when the Nauplius slips. Therefore the bacterium not dies even if you treat the cysts with chlorine. We can only during combat it the Schlupfes. Why can Vibros multiply quickly in our pool? Easy Artemias used in the sea before but only in separate Salzseen. The normal ökosystem sea needs to keep no anti bacteria to the "Artemiavibro" under control. Heist we pour the bacteria in a system which has not even Abwehrstoffe. These are two very small examples which disrupt the ecosystem basin. MfG Sylvio	breeding stock Posts: 137 Group: Members Member #84 Joined: December 29, 2008 Name Bob Kripfgans
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Post #6 Mar 1 2010, 06:21:07 AM	Suzy
Thanks! I wonder if Lady Baboon still comes here?	Seahorse Whisperer Posts: 3,047 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: June 28, 2008
"i was informed of some dolphin related testing going on up there" Too Funny!


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